Non-Diet Approach Nutritionists and Dietitians in Butte County, CA

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Aditi Shah
Nutritionist/Dietitian, RD, LDN, MPH
Serves Area
Hi there! I'm Aditi, Registered Dietitian Nutritionist and founder of Nourish By Aditi. I received my Master’s in Public Health from Loma Linda University, California. My experience encompasses a thriving private practice and serve as an industry consultant for local nursing facilities, various clinical hospitals, and dialysis centers as a senior dietitian. This experience has generated a fortitude and compassion to support my clients' end-to-end health goals. I believe in focusing on the whole person and empowering my clients to be their own health advocates; there is no one-size-fits-all approach.
Hi there! I'm Aditi, Registered Dietitian Nutritionist and founder of Nourish By Aditi. I received my Master’s in Public Health from Loma Linda University, California. My experience encompasses a thriving private practice and serve as an industry consultant for local nursing facilities, various clinical hospitals, and dialysis centers as a senior dietitian. This experience has generated a fortitude and compassion to support my clients' end-to-end health goals. I believe in focusing on the whole person and empowering my clients to be their own health advocates; there is no one-size-fits-all approach.
(714) 360-0737 View (714) 360-0737
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Sadie Hitsky
Nutritionist/Dietitian, RD, LDN, MS
Serves Area
Sadie is a Seattle-based Registered Dietitian with 8 years of Integrative and Functional health experience. She completed her training in Nutrition and Dietetics at Bastyr University which emphasized a root-cause approach to healing. Sadie believes it’s within your control to be your happiest and most vibrant self and her goal is to empower you to achieve this. Sadie’s favorite part about working with others is partnering together and seeing people evolve into their healthiest selves yet. She believes in the body’s innate ability to heal when given the opportunity to do so.
Sadie is a Seattle-based Registered Dietitian with 8 years of Integrative and Functional health experience. She completed her training in Nutrition and Dietetics at Bastyr University which emphasized a root-cause approach to healing. Sadie believes it’s within your control to be your happiest and most vibrant self and her goal is to empower you to achieve this. Sadie’s favorite part about working with others is partnering together and seeing people evolve into their healthiest selves yet. She believes in the body’s innate ability to heal when given the opportunity to do so.
(206) 944-6715 View (206) 944-6715
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Fuad Al Qudsi
Nutritionist/Dietitian, RD, LDN
Serves Area
Hello, I’m Fuad (pronounced Fowad)! I’m a Registered Dietitian Nutritionist with a bachelor’s degree in human nutrition and food science from Northern Colorado University. I am also a Certified Personal Fitness Trainer with eighteen years of experience in the wellness field. My mission is to empower individuals to reach their full potential through nutrition counseling and education using evidence-based nutrition and exercise science. My formal background in fitness combined with a functional approach to nutrition is foundation to my nutrition counseling.
Hello, I’m Fuad (pronounced Fowad)! I’m a Registered Dietitian Nutritionist with a bachelor’s degree in human nutrition and food science from Northern Colorado University. I am also a Certified Personal Fitness Trainer with eighteen years of experience in the wellness field. My mission is to empower individuals to reach their full potential through nutrition counseling and education using evidence-based nutrition and exercise science. My formal background in fitness combined with a functional approach to nutrition is foundation to my nutrition counseling.
(831) 265-5512 View (831) 265-5512
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Aliya Sisti
Nutritionist/Dietitian, RD, LDN, MS
Serves Area
My name is Aliya Sisti. I got my Bachelors in Food and Nutrition from SDSU and went on to get credentialed as a Registered Dietitian in 2018. I continued my education and received my Masters in Professional Practice in Dietetics from Iowa State University in 2021. I started my education in nutrition after finding frustration, as many do, with the contradicting information that was provided on the internet.
My name is Aliya Sisti. I got my Bachelors in Food and Nutrition from SDSU and went on to get credentialed as a Registered Dietitian in 2018. I continued my education and received my Masters in Professional Practice in Dietetics from Iowa State University in 2021. I started my education in nutrition after finding frustration, as many do, with the contradicting information that was provided on the internet.
(619) 848-3454 View (619) 848-3454
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Natalie Butler Nutrition
Nutritionist/Dietitian, MS, RD, CEDS
Magalia, CA 95954
I specialize in supporting individuals with eating disorders, disordered eating, relief from chronic dieting or any individual who seeks non-diet approaches to improving health and wellness.
Welcome! My name is Natalie Butler, I am a registered dietitian and my passion is to help individuals normalize their relationship with food through supportive nutrition counseling. I am not currently accepting new patients at this time.
I specialize in supporting individuals with eating disorders, disordered eating, relief from chronic dieting or any individual who seeks non-diet approaches to improving health and wellness.
Welcome! My name is Natalie Butler, I am a registered dietitian and my passion is to help individuals normalize their relationship with food through supportive nutrition counseling. I am not currently accepting new patients at this time.
(530) 435-7935 View (530) 435-7935

Online Dietitians and Nutritionists

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Jessica Stamm
Nutritionist/Dietitian, RDN
Online Only
Our techniques are centered around a non-diet, Health at Every Size (HAES) philosophy, which focuses on promoting health through nourishing behaviors rather than restrictive eating.
If managing food feels exhausting, you’re not alone. You might be dealing with ADHD, gestational diabetes, emotional eating, or burnout from trying every plan that just didn’t stick. Maybe you struggle to find time to eat or feel like your routine is always one step away from falling apart. You want support that fits your brain, your schedule, and your real life. You’re looking for flexible, judgment-free guidance to feel better in your body and more confident with food. Something sustainable that actually works for you.
Our techniques are centered around a non-diet, Health at Every Size (HAES) philosophy, which focuses on promoting health through nourishing behaviors rather than restrictive eating.
If managing food feels exhausting, you’re not alone. You might be dealing with ADHD, gestational diabetes, emotional eating, or burnout from trying every plan that just didn’t stick. Maybe you struggle to find time to eat or feel like your routine is always one step away from falling apart. You want support that fits your brain, your schedule, and your real life. You’re looking for flexible, judgment-free guidance to feel better in your body and more confident with food. Something sustainable that actually works for you.
(916) 432-2453 View (916) 432-2453
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Diabetes Digital (Telehealth Diabetes Nutrition)
Nutritionist/Dietitian, MS, RD, RDN, CDE, CDCES
1 Endorsed
Online Only
Our techniques are centered around a non-diet, Health at Every Size (HAES) philosophy, which focuses on promoting health through nourishing behaviors rather than restrictive eating.
Ready to empower yourself in managing your diabetes or prediabetes? With over 12 years of experience, we've helped thousands of clients lower their blood glucose levels and reclaim their lives. Imagine a future filled with energy, freedom, and confidence. At Diabetes Digital, our personalized 1-on-1 nutrition counseling is designed to suit your unique needs, cultural background, and preferences. We'll guide you towards nourishing food options and finding a comfortable balance that works for you. No more rigid rules or restrictive diets. We'll help you discover delicious and satisfying meals that align with your health goals.
Our techniques are centered around a non-diet, Health at Every Size (HAES) philosophy, which focuses on promoting health through nourishing behaviors rather than restrictive eating.
Ready to empower yourself in managing your diabetes or prediabetes? With over 12 years of experience, we've helped thousands of clients lower their blood glucose levels and reclaim their lives. Imagine a future filled with energy, freedom, and confidence. At Diabetes Digital, our personalized 1-on-1 nutrition counseling is designed to suit your unique needs, cultural background, and preferences. We'll guide you towards nourishing food options and finding a comfortable balance that works for you. No more rigid rules or restrictive diets. We'll help you discover delicious and satisfying meals that align with your health goals.
(916) 345-2088 View (916) 345-2088
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Rheanna Smith
Nutritionist/Dietitian, MS, RDN
Sacramento, CA 95825
True Renew Nutrition is a holistic, non-diet nutrition practice specializing in behavioral nutrition therapy for eating disorders and disordered eating, hormonal health, and sports nutrition.
You can heal your relationship with food, improve your body image, reach your fitness/performance goals, and develop healthy habits that enhance your well-being. From working as a clinical dietitian at various eating disorder recovery programs to teaching fitness classes I’ve spent several years helping people transform their health, break free from restriction, reconnect with their bodies, improve their fitness, and develop mindful eating habits rooted in self-compassion and personal choice. If you are struggling with your eating you are not alone, let me be your guide to renewing your nutrition today!
True Renew Nutrition is a holistic, non-diet nutrition practice specializing in behavioral nutrition therapy for eating disorders and disordered eating, hormonal health, and sports nutrition.
You can heal your relationship with food, improve your body image, reach your fitness/performance goals, and develop healthy habits that enhance your well-being. From working as a clinical dietitian at various eating disorder recovery programs to teaching fitness classes I’ve spent several years helping people transform their health, break free from restriction, reconnect with their bodies, improve their fitness, and develop mindful eating habits rooted in self-compassion and personal choice. If you are struggling with your eating you are not alone, let me be your guide to renewing your nutrition today!
(916) 713-3098 View (916) 713-3098
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Hana Chehade
Nutritionist/Dietitian, RDN
Online Only
Our techniques are centered around a non-diet, Health at Every Size (HAES) philosophy, which focuses on promoting health through nourishing behaviors rather than restrictive eating.
If food feels confusing or your stomach is always acting up, you're not alone. Maybe you're dealing with prediabetes, heartburn, bloating, or struggling to enjoy meals without discomfort. You may be in a larger body and feeling disappointed by past care. You want support that feels kind, realistic, and focused on how you feel. You’re looking for a better relationship with food and your body, and maybe even a little joy in the kitchen again. You want something sustainable that actually fits your life.
Our techniques are centered around a non-diet, Health at Every Size (HAES) philosophy, which focuses on promoting health through nourishing behaviors rather than restrictive eating.
If food feels confusing or your stomach is always acting up, you're not alone. Maybe you're dealing with prediabetes, heartburn, bloating, or struggling to enjoy meals without discomfort. You may be in a larger body and feeling disappointed by past care. You want support that feels kind, realistic, and focused on how you feel. You’re looking for a better relationship with food and your body, and maybe even a little joy in the kitchen again. You want something sustainable that actually fits your life.
(916) 252-4506 View (916) 252-4506
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Kristen Nyampong
Nutritionist/Dietitian, RDN
Online Only
Our techniques are centered around a non-diet, Health at Every Size (HAES) philosophy, which focuses on promoting health through nourishing behaviors rather than restrictive eating.
You’re managing Type 1 or 2 diabetes and tired of one-size-fits-all advice. Perhaps food feels confusing or even overwhelming, especially when considering cultural or dietary needs that are often overlooked. You want a way of eating that supports your blood sugar levels and your whole self. Whether you're also navigating disordered eating, GI concerns, or a plant-based lifestyle, you’re looking for a supportive space to feel seen, understood, and guided toward sustainable changes that actually work for you.
Our techniques are centered around a non-diet, Health at Every Size (HAES) philosophy, which focuses on promoting health through nourishing behaviors rather than restrictive eating.
You’re managing Type 1 or 2 diabetes and tired of one-size-fits-all advice. Perhaps food feels confusing or even overwhelming, especially when considering cultural or dietary needs that are often overlooked. You want a way of eating that supports your blood sugar levels and your whole self. Whether you're also navigating disordered eating, GI concerns, or a plant-based lifestyle, you’re looking for a supportive space to feel seen, understood, and guided toward sustainable changes that actually work for you.
(916) 602-3741 View (916) 602-3741
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Melissa Goode
Nutritionist/Dietitian, MPH, RDN
Online Only
I aim to partner with you by providing Non-Diet, Health at Every Size, Weight-Inclusive nutrition support.
Are you exhausted from thinking about food and your body all of the time? Today’s world is filled with messages telling us to shrink our bodies, try the latest diet, and fit into an ideal weight category. If you're tired of keeping up with the latest food trends, Googling nutrition advice, and trying everything under the sun to achieve "perfect" health, you've come to the right place! Goode Nutrition is for those wanting to build a healthy relationship with food and their body, navigate chronic illness with gentle nutrition, and unlearn disordered eating patterns.
I aim to partner with you by providing Non-Diet, Health at Every Size, Weight-Inclusive nutrition support.
Are you exhausted from thinking about food and your body all of the time? Today’s world is filled with messages telling us to shrink our bodies, try the latest diet, and fit into an ideal weight category. If you're tired of keeping up with the latest food trends, Googling nutrition advice, and trying everything under the sun to achieve "perfect" health, you've come to the right place! Goode Nutrition is for those wanting to build a healthy relationship with food and their body, navigate chronic illness with gentle nutrition, and unlearn disordered eating patterns.
(916) 306-7979 View (916) 306-7979
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Revitalize Wellness Center
Nutritionist/Dietitian, MS, RDN
Sacramento, CA 95831
Low energy, inflammation and weight gain? Feeling like your hormones are out-of-whack and yet all your labs look normal? Maybe you are in chronic pain or recently received a diagnosis of high blood sugars or high blood pressure and you want to avoid going on meds. Maybe you are on meds and what to get off them. If so, you are in the right place.
Low energy, inflammation and weight gain? Feeling like your hormones are out-of-whack and yet all your labs look normal? Maybe you are in chronic pain or recently received a diagnosis of high blood sugars or high blood pressure and you want to avoid going on meds. Maybe you are on meds and what to get off them. If so, you are in the right place.
(916) 794-3886 View (916) 794-3886
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Diabetes Digital (Telehealth Diabetes Nutrition)
Nutritionist/Dietitian, MS, RD, CDCES
1 Endorsed
Online Only
Ready to empower yourself in managing your diabetes or prediabetes? With over 12 years of experience, I've helped hundreds of clients lower their blood glucose levels and reclaim their lives. Imagine a future filled with energy, freedom, and confidence. At Diabetes Digital, our personalized 1-on-1 nutrition counseling is designed to suit your unique needs, cultural background, and preferences. We'll guide you towards nourishing food options and finding a comfortable balance that works for you. No more rigid rules or restrictive diets. We'll help you discover delicious and satisfying meals that align with your health goals.
Ready to empower yourself in managing your diabetes or prediabetes? With over 12 years of experience, I've helped hundreds of clients lower their blood glucose levels and reclaim their lives. Imagine a future filled with energy, freedom, and confidence. At Diabetes Digital, our personalized 1-on-1 nutrition counseling is designed to suit your unique needs, cultural background, and preferences. We'll guide you towards nourishing food options and finding a comfortable balance that works for you. No more rigid rules or restrictive diets. We'll help you discover delicious and satisfying meals that align with your health goals.
(332) 263-3789 View (332) 263-3789
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Marise Ermelinda d'abreu
Nutritionist/Dietitian, MS, RDN, CDE
1 Endorsed
El Dorado Hills, CA 95762
For the past 30 years, I have helped thousands of clients with their diet-related challenges in this country and abroad. Working in hospitals and my own private practice, I use evidence-based practices in Diabetes Care, Gestational Diabetes, Post Acute Rehab, Skilled Nursing and Renal Care. My years of relevant experience allows me to create a custom nutrition program for your unique health goals. In addition to the science of nutrition, I am an expert on foods of different palates and ethnicities. I am a specialist in vegan, vegetarian and diets related to food intolerances.
For the past 30 years, I have helped thousands of clients with their diet-related challenges in this country and abroad. Working in hospitals and my own private practice, I use evidence-based practices in Diabetes Care, Gestational Diabetes, Post Acute Rehab, Skilled Nursing and Renal Care. My years of relevant experience allows me to create a custom nutrition program for your unique health goals. In addition to the science of nutrition, I am an expert on foods of different palates and ethnicities. I am a specialist in vegan, vegetarian and diets related to food intolerances.
(844) 594-0604 View (844) 594-0604
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Emerald Santacruz
Nutritionist/Dietitian, BCHN, NBC-HWC, AIPCC
Online Only
If you are having trouble adapting to life with an autoimmune condition, you are not alone. Many look for natural options to support autoimmune conditions but expert guidance for this is not readily available in the conventional medical system. Whether you were just diagnosed or have been struggling for years, you can benefit from the support of an autoimmune wellness expert. From autoimmune friendly recipes, supportive supplements and herbs, or guidance on underlying health imbalances, I strive to help you feel your best, and in control of your health, despite autoimmunity.
If you are having trouble adapting to life with an autoimmune condition, you are not alone. Many look for natural options to support autoimmune conditions but expert guidance for this is not readily available in the conventional medical system. Whether you were just diagnosed or have been struggling for years, you can benefit from the support of an autoimmune wellness expert. From autoimmune friendly recipes, supportive supplements and herbs, or guidance on underlying health imbalances, I strive to help you feel your best, and in control of your health, despite autoimmunity.
(916) 347-5421 View (916) 347-5421
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Kerri Mulligan, RD
Nutritionist/Dietitian, RD
Online Only
Emotional eating is a condition that is widely misunderstood. All too often it is assumed that emotional eaters have no willpower over food or lack the motivation for change. Feelings of guilt, shame, and even loneliness can create a perpetual cycle of dieting and deprivation followed by uncontrolled eating. If this feels familiar to you, I want you to know that you are not alone. I can help you to understand this cycle and develop a better relationship with food. I provide education to clear up confusion around nutrition facts, challenge diet myths, and work with you to discover a pattern of eating that supports your health.
Emotional eating is a condition that is widely misunderstood. All too often it is assumed that emotional eaters have no willpower over food or lack the motivation for change. Feelings of guilt, shame, and even loneliness can create a perpetual cycle of dieting and deprivation followed by uncontrolled eating. If this feels familiar to you, I want you to know that you are not alone. I can help you to understand this cycle and develop a better relationship with food. I provide education to clear up confusion around nutrition facts, challenge diet myths, and work with you to discover a pattern of eating that supports your health.
(210) 941-2940 View (210) 941-2940
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Jessica Kruzan
Nutritionist/Dietitian, RDN, LDN
4 Endorsed
Sacramento, CA 95816
Jessica specializes in working with PCOS, Disordered/Eating Disorders, Infertility Nutrition, Pre/Post Partum, Hormonal Imbalances, and other areas. She believes that a diet should not only support someone’s physical health, but their social, emotional, and mental health as well. She works with her clients to identify their goals, understand their lifestyle and preferences, and create a plan that fits their unique needs. Jessica also recognizes that food is more than just fuel for the body – it is often tied to emotions, memories, and cultural traditions. As such, she helps her clients to build a positive relationship with food.
Jessica specializes in working with PCOS, Disordered/Eating Disorders, Infertility Nutrition, Pre/Post Partum, Hormonal Imbalances, and other areas. She believes that a diet should not only support someone’s physical health, but their social, emotional, and mental health as well. She works with her clients to identify their goals, understand their lifestyle and preferences, and create a plan that fits their unique needs. Jessica also recognizes that food is more than just fuel for the body – it is often tied to emotions, memories, and cultural traditions. As such, she helps her clients to build a positive relationship with food.
(240) 557-2068 View (240) 557-2068
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An Apple a Day Nutrition Therapy
Nutritionist/Dietitian, MS, RDN
Online Only
My name is Hannah Liserra Reilly, and I am a Registered Dietitian with a passion for helping people reach their optimal health and longevity. In a world where pharmaceuticals are at the forefront of health, many are unaware that the onset of most illnesses is caused by the environment and the foods we consume. ​Proper nutrition has the ability to make us feel and function at our best but is also powerful enough to change our genetic codes to help prevent certain diseases.
My name is Hannah Liserra Reilly, and I am a Registered Dietitian with a passion for helping people reach their optimal health and longevity. In a world where pharmaceuticals are at the forefront of health, many are unaware that the onset of most illnesses is caused by the environment and the foods we consume. ​Proper nutrition has the ability to make us feel and function at our best but is also powerful enough to change our genetic codes to help prevent certain diseases.
(279) 465-0131 View (279) 465-0131
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Chrissy Spencer
Nutritionist/Dietitian, MS
1 Endorsed
Sacramento, CA 95818
I work with people who are dealing with autoimmune conditions or mental health concerns. You may have both of these conditions concurrently. Often, the triggers for mental health concerns are often the same triggers that bring on autoimmune illnesses. In both situations, you may be dealing with brain fog, digestive issues, or vague pain. I also have received training and worked with individuals dealing with eating disorders, along with offering nutrition assistance in cases of autism and ADHD.
I work with people who are dealing with autoimmune conditions or mental health concerns. You may have both of these conditions concurrently. Often, the triggers for mental health concerns are often the same triggers that bring on autoimmune illnesses. In both situations, you may be dealing with brain fog, digestive issues, or vague pain. I also have received training and worked with individuals dealing with eating disorders, along with offering nutrition assistance in cases of autism and ADHD.
(916) 866-3916 View (916) 866-3916
Non-Diet Approach Nutritionists and Dietitians

What is the non-diet approach to nutrition?

A non-diet approach to nutrition is a holistic strategy that prioritizes overall health and well-being over strict diets or weight loss plans. Dietitians who practice this approach emphasize intuitive eating, encouraging clients to listen to their internal hunger and fullness cues rather than following rigid dietary rules. This method promotes a healthier relationship with food and fosters self-acceptance, especially for individuals with a history of dieting or disordered eating patterns.

Why should I see a dietitian who takes a non-diet approach?

As more evidence highlights the ineffectiveness and potential harm of many diets, the non-diet approach is gaining popularity and recognition as a sustainable and compassionate nutritional strategy. Non-diet dietitians help clients shift their focus from weight to overall health, supporting behaviors that enhance physical and emotional well-being. Therefore, a non-diet approach to nutrition may be a welcome change for many individuals who are looking to branch out from the heavy emphasis on diets and weights that many professionals in the medical and wellness communities may have. Additionally, because non-diet dietitians take a more holistic approach, they will also often work with clients on their relationship to other lifestyle habits that impact wellbeing, such as encouraging a healthy relationship with exercise.

What can a non-diet approach help with?

A non-diet approach can be highly beneficial for individuals with a history of eating disorders or disordered eating patterns, as well as those who have experienced repeated dieting with little success. This approach helps clients move away from rigid food rules and promotes a healthier relationship with food. By focusing on intuitive eating, clients learn to trust their internal hunger and fullness cues, rather than adhering to external dietary guidelines. This approach can help clients develop an intuitive sense of their nutritional needs, improve body acceptance, and reduce the psychological stress or shame commonly associated with dieting.

What should I look for in a non-diet dietitian?

When searching for a non-diet dietitian, it's important to consider several factors to ensure they are the right fit for you. Start by reviewing the dietitian's profile on Psychology Today or their personal website. Look for mentions of intuitive eating, body acceptance, or Health At Every Size (HAES) principles, which are indicative of a non-diet approach. Non-diet dietitians often outline their nutrition philosophy in these profiles. In addition to their approach, consider practical factors such as session costs, accepted insurance plans, and the availability of in-person or telehealth options. When you find a professional who seems like a good fit, reach out to speak with them. During the conversation, pay attention to whether you feel comfortable with them and how they explain their non-diet approach. If you are seeking a dietitian for a specific concern, such as disordered eating or chronic dieting, this can also be a good time to ask about their experience in these areas.